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Dyno Cap for 2013 944 Spec
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Re: Dyno Cap for 2013 944 Spec 11 years, 12 months ago #14480

Sterling Doc wrote:
Even then, to fall out, a motor still has to have the potential to make over (140 HP + 140 TQ)/2, which only a few do.


AND the cap is based on 30 psi air pressure . That adds 2/3 more to the buffer. No RMR car was even close to this number at our dyno day.
Last Edit: 11 years, 12 months ago by SvoChuck.

Re: Dyno Cap for 2013 944 Spec 11 years, 12 months ago #14483

This conversation illustrates exactly why the cap is useful. It requires a talented engine builder (who can charge a lot for his superior skills) to get the last 4 or so HP out of a 944 head.

My $350 head rebuilds (OK the last one cost ~ $500 with new Turbo valve springs) from "Ron's Machine Shop" in Sterling, IL, have never failed me in 6 years of racing, 3 endurance racing seasons, 9 hour enduros, etc. They are quite capable of making HP that will push the new cap, but clearly not 144HP. These last 4+ HP cost roughly a $2,000 premium over a standard rebuild. This is not an engine builders class. Obviously, we can't keep people from spending money, but we can make it uneccesary to the greatest degree practical. Guys should be able to patronize any decent local machine shop and and run at any level in this series. Spend the $2K on 3 weekends of racing (or 1/2 on a Traqmate) and make yourself a better driver - that is what this series is about, and will be about moving forward.

I think we've established all we can about this in the preceding 20 pages. The cap has is moving forward. The series directors will work on the details, and I encourage racers to move forward with plans to make their cars compliant for 2013.
Eric Kuhns

National Director Emeritus

2007, & 2008 National Champion
2011, 2012 2nd
Last Edit: 11 years, 12 months ago by Sterling Doc.

Re: Dyno Cap for 2013 944 Spec 11 years, 12 months ago #14484

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So who has this mythical 144 hp engine?

Mine was 143 on a dyno of unknown SAE calibration, smoothing factor etc. that has a history of reading high.

Please dont use that unconfirmed number for comparison, it is misleading.
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Re: Dyno Cap for 2013 944 Spec 11 years, 12 months ago #14485

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All engines, unless built in your garage by you personally are professionally built.

90% of all Spec engines fall into this catagory.

Is there power in the head? YES. A whole bunch? NO.

You will need a good valve job to get to 138hp.
2018 NASA 944Spec National Champ
2018 NASA ST5 P2 944 Nationals COTA
2017 NASA 944Spec WSC P3
2016 NASA PTD-944 WSC P2
2015 NASA GTS1 Western Champion
2014 NASA 944Spec Western Champion
2013 NASA 944Spec So-Cal Regional Champion
2013 NASA 944Spec National P3
2010 NASA GTS-1 National Champion
2010 NASA 944Spec National P3
2010 NASA So-Cal 944Spec Regional Champion
2009 NASA 944Spec National Champion

Re: Dyno Cap for 2013 944 Spec 11 years, 12 months ago #14486

Charlie, it is not just your motor, or even just John M. who can do this. Others have not been as public about this, and I respect their privacy, but they exist. We didn't make this rule based on any one example, or person. You have made your example public, so it has been discussed here. That is all. You have options if this is untenable to you.
Eric Kuhns

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2007, & 2008 National Champion
2011, 2012 2nd

Re: Dyno Cap for 2013 944 Spec 11 years, 12 months ago #14487

Eric, I am not sure if I saw this or not so I'll ask. Are we going to submit a dyno sheet at the beginning of the season to our race director to show that we are in compliance with the cap?
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